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#test-results 2026-04-19

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  • area_percent — side by side, and please tell me which one to believe 11:30
  • lot_number_lou — this is the single best example we have of why 0.8 points is not a discrepancy 12:26
  • lot_number_lou — which was the right thing to do and we still lost the money 15:27
  • lot_number_lou — the archive holds pairs, not means. that has been the rule since the first split 16:42
SH

a single sample tells you about a single vial. that is genuinely all it tells you

T5

slightly off topic but i told QST about a result they would not have liked and they did not argue. credit where it is due

T5

the widest spread in my data is about 2.6 percentage points across five lots from one supplier

PS

a point or two between the certificate and an independent result is inside what two labs disagree by

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AN

a result without a lot number and a purchase date is an anecdote with a pdf attached

PS

how much does sample handling on my end affect the number

the honest limits: hobby chain of custody is weak and any result here should be read with that in mind

fridge-temps.csv
152 rows · not retained in the public archive
PS

sample handling on your end absolutely affects it. draw cleanly, ship fast, do not let it sit warm

PS

weigh the vial before you reconstitute. it costs nothing and catches the common failure

GC

one bad test does not condemn a supplier. one good test does not clear one. both halves get ignored equally

GC

certificate said 99.2 and the independent came back 98.6, is that a problem

AP

both back. same vial, split into two, posted the same day in one envelope to two labs

side by side, and please tell me which one to believe

MeasureLab A (Janoshik)Lab B (Medutest)Difference
HPLC purity99.1%98.3%0.8 points
largest single impurity0.42%0.61%0.19 points
impurities reported352 more
content vs 10 mg label9.62 mg9.55 mg0.07 mg
reporting threshold0.10%0.05%
detection wavelength214 nm220 nm
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SB

both. and the table already explains itself if you read the bottom two rows

SB

lab B reports down to 0.05% and lab A stops at 0.10%.
so lab B counted two extra small peaks that lab A folded into the baseline.
those two peaks came out of the main peak, which is why B reports lower purity.
nothing disagrees. they made different reporting choices and both documented them

LN

this is the single best example we have of why 0.8 points is not a discrepancy

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PS

and note the content figures are 0.07mg apart, which is essentially perfect agreement. quantity travels between labs better than purity does

PS

because quantity is measured against a standard and the answer is a mass, and mass does not care about your integration baseline. purity is a ratio of areas and areas are full of judgement calls

SB

which is a good argument for buying content tests over purity tests, incidentally

GV

that has been my position for a year and nobody listens because purity is the number vendors advertise

VB

inter-lab diff — sample SWB-25-1104 (split): purity 99.1% vs 98.3% (Δ 0.8) · content 9.62 mg vs 9.55 mg (Δ 0.07) · flag: within expected inter-lab range

LN

one to two points on purity, and it is a convention we picked, not a measured tolerance. it is there to stop people panicking

SB

and if a split came back four points apart the flag would fire and we would go and read both chromatograms properly

GV

one half had been decanted into a tube that had previously held something else. the submitter admitted it and withdrew the result

SB

in every case we have chased, yes. the labs have not been the problem once

PS

*not once that we could demonstrate. i would not claim more than that

SB

file both numbers, both thresholds, both wavelengths, and do not average them

LN

the archive holds pairs, not means. that has been the rule since the first split

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GV

and the Saber split we have pending will be the fourth pair on file, so slowly we are building something