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#dosing-titration 2025-06-02

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  • lyophile_liv — update question: did anyone who held for 12 months regret it 14:08
  • lyophile_liv — i escalate on symptoms. if the current dose is still doing something i stay on it 15:21
  • private_script_pri — right so you do not have to escalate at all. that is a real option that gets forgotten the honest answer is that most of us are running protocols nobody has ever… 16:09
  • amsterdam_aliquot — do you escalate on the calendar or on how you feel 16:32
  • VialBot — Reminder set. I will post here in 7 days. 18:32

the honest answer is that most of us are running protocols nobody has ever studied, your mileage will differ

TA

after a gap of more than about three weeks i restart one rung lower. thats my own rule, not advice

for the archive nobody here can tell you what dose to be on and the ones who try get corrected

half life is a week

TA

i log dose, day, weight and one line about how the week felt. thats enough to make decisions on

LL

update question: did anyone who held for 12 months regret it

wk 1-4    0.25mg
wk 5-10   0.50mg   (held 2 extra weeks)
wk 11-14  1.00mg
wk 15-26  1.70mg   (held, long)
wk 27+    2.40mg
SO

if you are asking whether to go up, the fact you are asking usually means not yet, thats just me

LL

ok so the argument for splitting is a flatter curve. the argument against is you have doubled your injections for a guess

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LL

how do you decide between holding and stepping when both feel wrong

SO

i jumped a rung once to catch up after a supply gap and it was a bad week. would not repeat

LL

i escalate on symptoms. if the current dose is still doing something i stay on it

Cited study
Triple–Hormone-Receptor Agonist Retatrutide for Obesity — A Phase 2 Trial
New England Journal of Medicine · 2023
48 weeks, dose-ranging. A Phase 2 result is not a safety record.
LL

thats anecdote

Trial scheduleWhat most people here do
Step interval4 weeks, fixed4-12 weeks, on symptoms
Holdingprotocol deviationnormal and expected
Top dosereached by designoften never reached
Coming downnot studiedcommon at maintenance
HL

plateau versus set point is not answerable in under six months of data

MP

holding is not failing. most people here who lasted two years held at least one dose for months

PS

genuine question i went from 0.5 to 12 and honestly could not tell the difference in appetite

HL

sorry to jump in update from 10 months ago: held at the same dose the whole time and still losing slowly

PS

right so you do not have to escalate at all. that is a real option that gets forgotten
the honest answer is that most of us are running protocols nobody has ever studied

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if i took it 8 days late do i shift the schedule or go back to the old day
appetite returning at the end of the week is extremely common and is not the dose failing

not advice

end of week thing

do you escalate on the calendar or on how you feel

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VI

came down, no regrets

wk 1-4    0.25mg
wk 5-10   0.50mg   (held 2 extra weeks)
wk 11-14  1.00mg
wk 15-26  1.70mg   (held, long)
wk 27+    2.40mg
TA

my titration ladder took 23 months to climb and i would do it slower again

TA

if it "stopped working after four days" that is almost never pharmacokinetics

LL

if you are going up because the scale stalled for two weeks, wait. two weeks is noise, we shall see

VB

Reminder set. I will post here in 7 days.

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