thats not evidence
#vendor-verification 2024-09-08
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- septum_sal — verification has never been for sale and never will be. offers get posted publicly with the sender redacted 15:08
- private_script_pri — what counts: an independent report, on a lot you bought yourself, with the lot number, from a lab the room recognises, not advice obviously 16:26
- slow.taper — verification is not a recommendation. it means the evidence standard has been met, nothing more 18:57
do blinded submissions carry more weight than open ones
is a screenshot of a report ever acceptable
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if the evidence is thin the entry says the evidence is thin. that is more useful than a score
a good result with bad sample handling gets logged with a note about the handling. context is part of the record, from memory
the mods maintain the log. the room supplies the evidence and argues about it, which is the correct division
[edited]thats evidence
blinded is better
nothing gets deleted from the log, including our own mistakes, ask me again in a month
log it either way
verification has never been for sale and never will be. offers get posted publicly with the sender redacted
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refresh on evidence
we refresh on new evidence, not on a clock. an old verification with no recent results says so on the entry
what does not count: the supplier certificate alone, a screenshot, a referral link, or a friend who says it was fine
coming back to this if you want to help, buy a lot, test it, and post the report with the lot number. that is the whole contribution
what does not count: the supplier certificate alone, a screenshot, a referral link, or a friend who says it was fine
revoked stays in the log
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lot number or nothing
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quick one verification is revoked on a confirmed failure and the revocation stays in the log permanently
what happens to the log entry when a supplier improves
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a verified supplier can still ship you a bad vial. verification is about the record, not about your parcel
how long does a verification stay current before it needs refreshing
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pattern not one result
thin evidence
what actually counts as evidence for a verification
what counts: an independent report, on a lot you bought yourself, with the lot number, from a lab the room recognises, not advice obviously
| Evidence | Counts? |
|---|---|
| Independent report, lot you bought, lot number legible | yes |
| Independent report, no lot number | no |
| Supplier certificate only | no |
| Screenshot of a report | no |
| Blinded pooled submission | yes, for the pool |
| A friend who said it was fine | no |
never for sale
a supplier improving shows in the log as later entries, not as earlier entries being edited
*PeptideMeter not the other one
both numbers go in
blinded submissions carry more weight because they remove a variable, not because we distrust the labs
the point of the standard is that it applies to suppliers we like as well as ones we do not
how does a supplier get verification revoked
does a supplier certificate on its own count for anything
who decides, the mods or the room
is there a version of the log i can read chronologically
somebody once offered to fund the testing programme in exchange for an entry. the offer is in the log
the log is readable chronologically and that is deliberate. the trajectory matters more than the current line
post the photos
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verification is not a recommendation. it means the evidence standard has been met, nothing more
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we have never revoked on a single result. we have revoked on a pattern
is the verification log the same thing as a recommendation
[edited]not a recommendation